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They Make $5.7B/Year Playing With Other People's Money
The "2 and 20" model means Carlyle gets paid twice: 2% just for holding your money, 20% of profits if they perform. It's a powerful model where your primary asset, your reputation/performance, can erode quickly. Here's how any business can apply OPM principles.

Today I'm looking Carlyle Group, the large alternative asset manager (alternative assets = a lot of private equity).
The main lesson to take away from a business like this is OPM (Other People's Money).
Here's the model that should make every entrepreneur pay attention:
They manage $453 billion
They make $5.7 billion in revenue from it
Annual capex: just $60 million
The OPM playbook:
Charge 2% annually just for holding the money (some of their vehicles are sub-2% but it's still signficant)
Take 20% of any profits above 8% returns
Get paid whether investments go up or down
Use investor capital for all the risky bets while keeping fees for themselves
How they've evolved the model:
32% of capital now in "perpetual" vehicles
Created ESG-linked loans where hitting diversity targets cuts their borrowing costs (we'll see if these ESG type of programs will remain in favor going forward)
Built a fundraising machine that brings in $41B of new OPM per year
Where the OPM model broke down:
Carlyle Capital Corporation: leveraged OPM 32-to-1 and lost $16.6B
Hawaiian Telcom: learned that OPM can't fix broken operations ($425M loss)
The catch: when you lose OPM, you lose your revenue stream AND reputation
Your tactical takeaways:
Any business can use OPM principles (property managers, consultants, SaaS platforms)
Lock in management fees before performance fees
The longer you can hold OPM, the more valuable your business
Asset-light doesn't mean risk-light as reputation is everything
With that, check out the report below and I'll talk to you tomorrow!
Nick
TL;DR
What: Carlyle manages $453B in alternative assets (mostly private equity) through the classic "2 and 20" model (2% management fees + 20% carried interest)
Entrepreneurial lesson #1: Using OPM (other people's money)is a proven way to generate significant income with an asset-like business. Asset management has some similarites with something like the McDonald's franchise model. OPM is what is used to build new restraunts while McDonald's still receives significant revenue from these assets.
Entrepreneurial lesson #2: New CEO is focused on building recurring revenue streams before chasing big wins. Carlyle's 32% perpetual capital provides stability (traditional private equity funds are raised one at a time and can provide for a "lumpy" capital base)
Learn from fails: The $16.6B Carlyle Capital Corporation collapse proves overleveraging kills companies (a victim of the late 2000's Great Financial Crisis and 32-to-1 leverage (Started with $670 million in investor capital, borrowed $21.7 billion against it))
The 30,000-Foot View
Carlyle operates as a global alternative asset manager across three segments: Global Private Equity ($164B AUM), Global Credit ($199B AUM), and Carlyle AlpInvest ($89B AUM). They raise capital from institutional investors, buy companies, improve operations, and sell for profit.
Revenue mix (HIGHLY variable as performance fees are boom-or-bust):
Management fees: 43-45% (annual charge on committed capital)
Performance fees/Carried interest: 28-30% (20% of profits above hurdles)
Transaction & advisory fees: 6-8%
Investment income: 3-5%
Key stats:
Market cap: $23.4 billion
TTM Revenue: $5.71 billion
FRE margin: 46%
Net income (TTM): $1.09 billion
Employees: 2,300+
Industry: Alternative Asset Management
Company History
1987: Founded by Rubenstein, Conway, and D'Aniello in D.C. with $5M
1990s-2000s: Built defense industry specialty, major deals like United Defense ($850M)
2008: Carlyle Capital Corporation collapses with $16.6B losses
2012: IPO at $22.05/share, $147B AUM
2017: Founders step back; Youngkin and Lee named co-CEOs
2023: Harvey Schwartz appointed CEO after leadership chaos
2024: Record $1.1B fee-related earnings, AUM hits $453B
Show Me the Money
Stand-out features:
Companies like this don't report traditional gross profit
Earnings can be highly volatile due to the cyclicality of financial market
Record 46% Fee-Related Earnings margin in 2024
Minimal CapEx (~$60M) for $5.7B revenue business
32% of AUM in perpetual vehicles
Financial Data
Metric | FY 2022 | FY 2023 | FY 2024 | TTM Q1 2025 |
---|---|---|---|---|
Revenue | $4.44B | $2.96B | $5.43B | $5.71B |
Gross Profit | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
Gross Margin | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
Ops Profit | $1.94B | -$98M | $1.39B | $1.44B |
Ops Margin | 43.6% | -3.3% | 25.7% | 25.3% |
CapEx | ~$45M | ~$50M | ~$55M | ~$60M |
Net Debt | N/A | N/A | -$665M | -$665M |
The N.O.O.B. Nine — Competitive Powers
The Nerd Out on Business Nine is made up of Hamliton Helmer's famous "7 Powers" of competitive advantage (Scale Economies, Network Economies, Counter-Positioning, Switching Costs, Branding, Cornered Resource, and Process Power) combined with two of my own (Data Flywheel and Distribution Advantage).
Power | Score | Rationale |
---|---|---|
Branding | 3/5 | Recognized but less prestigious than Blackstone/KKR; D.C. base helps government access |
Data Flywheel | 2/5 | Following rather than leading in AI implementation |
Process Power | 3/5 | Strong sector expertise but investment processes mirror industry standards |
Scale Economies | 3/5 | Fourth-largest with $453B AUM but trails Blackstone ($1.1T) significantly |
Switching Costs | 4/5 | 10+ year fund commitments and 32% perpetual capital create LP stickiness |
Cornered Resource | 3/5 | AlpInvest platform offers unique access but lacks Apollo's insurance advantage |
Network Economies | 4/5 | 3,200+ LP relationships across 86 countries plus AlpInvest's 350+ GP network |
Counter-Positioning | 2/5 | Limited differentiation—everyone's chasing same credit/perpetual capital plays |
Distribution Advantage | 4/5 | Global fundraising machine raised $41B in 2024 across diverse products |
Average Score: 3.1/5 - Strong position but this is a hard-to-dominate industry
Memorable Marketing
Carlyle positions itself as an ESG innovator rather than just another PE shop, using thought leadership to attract institutional capital.
Key campaigns:
ESG-linked credit facility (2021-2023)
Tied $6B+ financing costs to portfolio company board diversity
Hit 29% diverse directors, with 59% of new directors from underrepresented groups
Why it worked: Made social responsibility financially measurable
ESG Data Convergence Project (2021-2022)
Led initiative with 190+ firms ($22T AUM) to standardize ESG reporting
Why it worked: Positioned as thought leader while solving industry pain point
Content engine strategy (2024-2025)
Built owned media across LinkedIn, podcasts, video
Why it worked: Direct audience relationships without media intermediaries
Tactical takeaways:
Tie social goals to financial incentives
Lead industry standards to become the authority
Build direct audience relationships through content
Segment messaging by stakeholder (LPs want returns, portfolio companies want playbooks)
AI Uses & Opportunities
Current uses:
SESAMm partnership for NLP-powered deal analysis across 100+ languages
Invested in HireVue (AI hiring) and Exiger (supply chain risk)
BCG tech-driven value creation generated $250M portfolio value
Future ideas (of which I'm sure they are aware of):
Infrastructure plays on AI electricity demand (Copia Power's $2B solar projects)
Automate deal sourcing and competitive analysis
AI-driven portfolio optimization and exit timing
Hyper-personalized LP reporting
Bumps in the Road
Regulatory: $8.5M SEC fine (2025) for WhatsApp violations; $20M pay-to-play scandal (2009)
Epic fail: Carlyle Capital Corporation's $16.6B collapse (2008) from overleveraging
Leadership chaos: Three CEOs in five years created strategic whiplash
Portfolio problems: Hawaiian Telcom bankruptcy cost $425M; 16% of 2023 US bankruptcies were PE-backed
ESG contradictions: Criticized for selling polluting assets rather than transitioning them
Your Swipe File
Build recurring revenue first—32% perpetual capital provides stability deal-dependent models lack
Avoid the leverage trap (negative lesson)—Carlyle Capital's collapse proves leverage is deadly in excess. And it's easy take on in excess when times are good
Create industry standards—their ESG Data Project made them the de facto authority (I hesitated writing this one as the ESG winds have "turned")
Failed integrations kill returns (negative lesson)—Hawaiian Telcom shows financial engineering can't fix broken operations